Problems with theory and problems in practice
Regarding a prior post, MightyMerk asked a few good questions about why I take such a dim view of capitalism. You can read the whole original post and the ensuing comments here. I'll try to elaborate on my initial responses, beginning:
"Regarding Marx, you just have to tell me what exactly he was ever right about?"That's a tough question because it's often difficult to separate, in the bath house of public opinion, the ideas of the man from the ideas of his followers. When those followers have a track record of 100 million dead in 8 decades of megalomania, everything that inspired it seems to take on a more sinister pallor.

Marx was a theorist and philosopher and an economist. Like many and indeed all people who propose something radical in social theory and justice, it was to address a specific problem (Plato's Republic for example) within the society that person lived. If Plato were judged by The Republic alone, he'd have gone the way of Heraclitus, he'd be esoteric cannon-fodder.
That is to say: often, if not always, the proposed solution outstrips the observation. Often, if not always, the person tries too hard to fix everything and fix it at a fundamental level. Marx's communist ideal is very much a utopian (from Greek ou not, no + topos place) yearning. For that reason communism can never be a viable instantiation of Marx's pure social theory. Similarly, there will (hopefully) never be pure capitalism, because of the innate problems Marx sheds light on.
Like Plato's Republic, there's a lot about his new society that could never function. That does not, however, diminish the critique of the existing society Marx puts forth. Aristotle was asked by some Greek ruler (don't remember names) to apply his Philosophy and other, more Platonic concepts into making that ruler's kingdom more perfect. Aristotle was dismissed months later. His solutions didn't work, but that does not mean he didn't identify the right problems. Marx saw the problems, but didn't propose the right solutions--this is something we only now know in hindsight. His observations, however, remain valid and pointed to this day.
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In the act of reification (a term coined by Georg Lukacs) of capital, money goes from being a bartering tool, a tool of trade between equals, into an end in itself. Remember, it's called capitalism, not, people-using-money-ism. In pure capitalism, people are secondary to the accumulation of capital. Capital becomes an end in itself, able to reproduce itself. It becomes the most important thing in the system, diminishing the very humanity of the people that exist within the system.
People are only as important as the capital they own. Even in our own imperfect capitalistic society, we see this as the functioning imperative. People with money have power in business and politics. Power in business facilitates the propagation and increase of power. Power in politics ensures that the power game will continue to favor those who have power. The "haves" as you call them, will remain haves.
That's fine, if you have it, use it and use it well. But the problem is that most "have-nots" will also remain have-nots. The problem is not economic disparity in itself, though it's tragic and debilitating. The problem is that economic disparity in this country is rigid, and despite the few free floating upper-middle class folks, the glass ceiling is generally impenetrable. There are and always will be exceptions to this rule, which proponents of unfettered capitalism will tout as proof that free markets make free people. However, these case studies are ultimately outliers that don't reflect the general and pervasive trend.
The haves draw their power from the companies they own/control.
For companies in theory, and corporations as part of their existence as a legal entity, workers are only important as a cheap means of producing the thing that produces capital. They are, essentially, overhead.
Workers are usually the "have-nots"
Capitalism cares about nothing else besides creating more capital. Look at corporate law in America, the only people a corporation answers to are its shareholders, the only yardstick for success or failure are profits--the relative income of capital against the loss of capital.
The easiest way to staunch the outgoing flow of capital is to under pay workers. This is much easier than reducing other forms of overhead. The "Lean Manufacturing" technique pioneered by Toyota and currently shit-hot in America is another way, but it's expensive and time-consuming. Then, once you're done "leaning," you can still cut salaries or benefits or work to pass legislation ending overtime compensation. This is called remaining competitive. Within the current American Corporate paradigm, this is exactly what companies should do.
Was remaining competitive, though, done ethically, are the workers living decently, are things in place to keep them living decently? Was regard paid to the people who are essentially driving the power of this company? Or are they being under-compensated?
These are the bleeding heart questions. These are questions that the American government, in its corporate legislation, doesn't care about. These are the things that the most powerful shareholders don't care about because it detracts from fiscal solvency. These are things that CEOs aren't allowed to care about, for it means stifling profit. Intentionally stifling profit is illegal in this country.
Profit is made one of two ways, by selling a good or service for a greater cost than it took to produce it, and by allowing capital to grow by means of investment.
Now, if you sell something for more than it takes to produce it, you are in effect cheating workers out of the value of their work. It is argued that management does work as well and must be taken into account. This is true. Even so, at the end of the day, if the company is cash-positive, someone has been screwed. It might have been the CEO, but it's usually the petty worker.
My note: This is a fundamental and intricate argument of Marx's, one that more or less spans a thousand page book and that I'm really glossing over here, so before you turn your criticism to my poor summary, read Das Kapital.To which many people retort: "Still, they're being paid and having a job is better than not having one."
The idea here is that if there is more capital around, and people are making more capital, their lives will be enriched by this possession of capital. Interesting theory.
But the creation of new capital through the accumulation of interest creates inflation. Currently in America, the median wage increase is not enough to keep up with inflation. The median wage increase (not to be confused with the average increase, which is much lower). Everyone below that actually has less purchasing power than they did previously.
Merk, you're probably correct in saying, "There are always going to be the 'haves and have-nots." But when the thing that a majority of Americans 'have-not' is access to affordable healthcare, when their children do not have access to even the most basic of education that would give them a better chance of becoming 'haves', then what government is doing is allowing those with power to keep their power and expand their power while having a pool of cheap labor to aid them without any real benefit or loyalty to the people who have made them this capital.
It's a more subtle instantiation of the company store. So, merely making more money does not necessarily equate to having more power, the system is on a curve.
"People are not perfect, and prone to greed and don't like to play nice etc."That's the most true thing you said. People are radically self-interested. Capital is more self-interested. Human beings at least have the ability to empathize and identify problems, to understand suffering and to change it. Humans have the capability of wanting to level the playing field and the capability to do it.
Now, we can keep with the capitalist ethos and allow the rule of the free market to continually reward the haves and punish the have-nots by keeping from them even the most basic liberties, or we can recognize the short-comings of the system and put in place programs that allow for the elevation of Humankind above the drive of capital.
This includes: Salaries that outstrip inflation at the absolute minimum, equal education for everyone, affordable secondary education (more need and performance-based grants and scholarships), affordable healthcare for everyone, et al.
Now if corporations and other employers would do this voluntarily, then by all means, have at it capitalism. But as long as these systemic structures are in place and as long as corporations are only legally bound to create profit, then all those squirming meat-bags of downsizeable overhead need legal structures in place to protect their rights and offer the chance to wield real power within the system. To do otherwise, to maintain a classist system, is to court revolution. It happened in Russia, China and elsewhere. The revolution eventually failed. That does not mean however that what the people were revolting against was ultimately proved the right and just system, just the more powerful system.
What I advocate is not revolution, it is the avoidance of the oppressive structures which lead to revolution. It is a swallowing of nationalistic pride and an open mind. It is a conscious and dedicated effort to meld the positive aspects of both [several] systems regardless of whether something is considered capitalist, socialist, communist--whatever. It is allowing people to succeed within the system so that they do not have to seek revolution outside the system.
Liberty is not laissez faire, laissez passer. It would be if everyone started at zero. Liberty is a [more] level playing field.
"Attacking Capitalism because it is not perfect is rather a cheap shot in my opinion . . . As far as I am concerned America and capitalism is the best WE HUMANS have had so far."Simply being the current best doesn't mean it's good enough.
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BRAVO! Were you to be in a class of mine you'd get an A+ and an offer to take over teaching in my place while I learn to whittle whistles!
Basically its nice to see such a fluent presentation on this issue coming from someone claiming to be a mere student.
To bolster (however pathetically) your presentation I would like to recommend a couple of interesting articles. Both are easy and accessible to anyone though Scientific American.
The first, I believe, is in the June, 1999, edition in the column "By the Numbers" by Rodger Doyle. The column discusses income inequality in the US over a period of time and shows that the lower 40% wage earners have show something like a 5% median wage increase since the 1960s. So, if you're in one of the lower 20th percentiles you probably haven't come close to breaking out of that area. I am hunting for the article and will correct myself if I misspoke the figures. Or, I'll buy the article again as it was good.
Ok, I believe this is the article:
By the Numbers: Income Inequality in the U.S.; June 1999; by DoyleThe second point is from November, 2004, and deals with declining health care in the US.
By the Numbers: Getting Sicker: State budget constraints threaten public health; November 2004; by Doyle
Sausage, good links. That's the thing I'm always missing in these diatribes, so called "proof".
Where do you teach? What do you teach?
I'd love to take a class from you. Any class will do really, I'd just love to be taking a class at the moment.
That's the other thing. I'm not really a student in the technical sense, I've graduated.
But despite the Jesuit commitment to social justice, Catholic schools brook no quarter for studying Humanistic philosophies with any rigor--humanistic in the modern, Vonnegutian sense.
In that way I really know very little about these things.
Which is why I like having debates with people from such varied backgrounds, it helps with my education as it were, and also helps me more clearly define my beliefs.
Thanks for your kind comments. Sadly, for myself, I do not (currently) teach -- I loved teaching and interacting with students. Students were always the best people to have around to help me stay fresh on a topic. I had a 5 year stint through graduate school, studying Cognitive Neuroscience, teaching and doing research. I am now, for the last 7 years, just an intellectual vagabond like yourself (though my brains feel rusty). I do work at a University near you, however -- EWU -- doing something fairly tangental to my background, computer programming (sigh).
From your comment you went to the fine Catholic Establishment in town, it seems. It would have been quite a clash of interests for me.
While I've been a humanist for nearly 20 years only in the last 10 have I really paid any close attention to social issues (I was very focused on research for a long time) and not always with a clear mind. So I'm supremely impressed by your wit and philosophical rigor.
Basically a lot of the issues that get debated about social issues revolve around philosophical motives rather than hard facts. People often confuse levels of analysis, however, and end up doing reverse generalizations (i.e., my cousin got rich therefore capitalism works). Once we get around the core meta theories, however, the facts of psychology, anthropology --ultimately biology-- come to play quickly and I have a bit more knowledge there.
I found some Vonnegut-style thinking (clarity) in grad school before... you should consider going on! But the school debts...
I'm returning to grad school once again, hopefully in Winter, to refresh and complete my institutionalized life-cycle -- and be birthed again into teaching (may the gods help the students).
Without intending to be a further annoyance let me suggest the following authors for further humanist reading, theory and philosophy... please forgive me if you already know these authors:
* Paul Kurtz -- kind of a father or grandfather figure in modern humanist philosophy (still alive)
* Peter Singer -- an avant-garde ethicist and humanist
* Daniel Dennet -- a sort of polymath of human cognition
* Bertrand Russel -- you almost have to know this one but aside from his ground breaking mathematical philosophy he is also a little appreciated early 20th century ethicist
The Skeptic Society and the Council for Secular Humanism, of course, are full of amazing individuals worth looking up.
I now post more on your blog than I do on mine. Thank you.
Good stuff Sausage.
Kurtz is new on me, I've heard Singer's name bandied about, but haven't read him.
Can you name some specific works?
I haven't read Dennet concerning cognition, but you'll hear me invoking him like a hex to ward off creationists. His writings on Evolution are wonderfully accessible but still have depth, very like Steven J Gould in that way, but with a more Philosophic/ethical bent.
And Russell is Russell of course, even my girlfriend's Dad, a excommunicated Mormon turned Bapresbymethodist of some stripe or another has "Why I'm not a Christian". His biography, though, is pretty interesting as kind of a cautionary tale against blind adherance to science. He was apparently a huge dick to his kids, following some pseudo-analytic trend of the day that said essentially children aren't to be held at any cost--especially during development--and that affection breeds ill-mannered children.
Shocking to find such inhumanity among even the humanists.
Then, of course, he himself went bat-shit insane.
Yeah, Russel definately had personal issues. He was probably one weird guy to know even when he wasn't suicidally depressed. B.F. Skinner is also another great example of humanism gone wonky.
Kurtz, he's not always real direct, pretty academic in some ways. But I like his emphasis on doing social good and his statements of humanist values.
This is what the Council for Secular Humanism lists for Paul Kurt book list. I've mostly read him as an author in Free Inquiry and similar magazines.
Also interesting: Re-enchantment: A New Enlightenment by Kurtz.
Singer I also mostly read in editorial form. But his book "Writings on an Ethical Life" is good, covers humanist ethics in application to all life (i.e., species) rather than solely people.
I'm trying to build a sensible reading list of more pointed social commentary. Basically the rarefied literature of philosophy is wonderful but a more practical instantiation is sometimes more meaningful. For instance, one of my main facinations is coverage of alternatives to the death-grip industrial Puritan Work Ethic (as epitomized by Max Weber). I've been writing some articles, still pretty much notes to myself, calle "Alternatives to the Consolation Prize" dealing with way our culture has diverted us away from fullfilling lives by consoling us with stuff.
I've found quite a bit of material for such alternatives while being a computer programmer, mostly through being involved in the Open Source movement. Pekka Himanen ("The Hacker's Ethic"), for instance, covers the philosophical difference points between people who are motivated by things other than money and authoritarianism. Linux Torvalds (inventor of Linux) has a book called "Just for Fun" and is an example of the hacker's ethic without being as overtly philosophical.
Basically I'm still working on a good list that I can pass on to friendly and intellengent thinkers like yourself. Having a conversation about issues breaking the traditional viewpoints of work and lifestyle are very rewarding. So I appologize for dancing about -- as I get a better grip on both the subject matter and a kind of roadmap I will post it to my blog.
For instance, here is an interesting link:
THE ABOLITION OF WORKAnd:
The Cluetrain ManifestoThere is so much more, psychology and biology, that can be brought interestingly to bear... and I ramble on forever.
Oh absolutely, Capitalism is little more than a means of exploitation for profit. It also creates this urge for the 'haves' to have more, since there are not real repercussions for their actions. This allows them to not only exploit the average worker, but also to use their pull to go aboard and smash up other countries and places to expand their empires, so to speak. I mean, you can clearly see that if all of the US's foreign policies in the last few years.
For example:
Haiti elects a leader VIA grassroots movements and the US swoops in, takes the leader back to the US for almost his entire term and then lets a bunch of thugs take power in Haiti to terrorize and murder members of the population who voted the old leader out. The press of course buys the popular line that what we are doing is necessary, even though according to the CIA fact book Haiti is one of the poorest countries in the western hemisphere. Why did they do this? Because the elected leader was opposed to American corporations outsourcing to Haiti, and the lobbyists would not let it go until we did something about it, it was referred to as a 'crisis of democracy'. An amazing achievement in propaganda. This is all well documented in a book entitled "Manufacturing Consent" by Herman S. Truman.
I was trying to be terse in this reply too, oh well. You'll have to forgive my rambling.
Shit. i should have replied days ago, but here goes anyway.
Luke, i'll go ahead and skip Das Kapital in a big way and give your summary the benefit of the doubt. Since his ideas led directly (or indirectly via Stalin) to millions of people starving to death i can safely say "See you in Hell, Karl."
Meanwhile, i've finally constructed a two word rebuttal to Marxist, no wait, Vonnegutian (much more up to date) theory. Basically it goes, "You first." The long version is a hypothetical conversation between me and, say, Kurt himself. i say, "You first, right here and now, just you and me, a test run. You have more than me; give me half." Not trusting me, he of course refuses. And the problem is revealed. On the bizarre chance that the hypothetical other DOES give me half, i give him nothing. That's the problem two-fold, and it only gets worse when you add more people to the equation.
Since the replies here took on a Humanist bent i'll confess that i don't understand where faith in people comes from. i can see where faith in God comes from. God skipped town a long time ago, you can't see him, but He gets wonderful recommendations. People are exactly the opposite.
"Eat the Rich," P.J. O'Rourke. There. i won't embarrass myself with a broken link. http://www.groveatlantic.com/grove/wc.dll?groveproc~genauth~568~2253~EXCERPT
"Professor Samuelson, who wrote the early editions [of Economics, textbook]by himself, turns out to be almost as much of a goof as my friends and I were in the 1960s. "Marx was the most influential and perceptive critic of the market economy ever," he says on page seven. Influential, yes. Marx nearly caused World War III. But perceptive? Samuelson continues: "Marx was wrong about many things ... but that does not diminish his stature as an important economist." Well, what would? If Marx was wrong about many things and screwed the baby-sitter? "
-ben
mightymerk, sorry for the delay -- I did read your blog and found it to be interesting. I will comment more there! Thanks for the link.
weak and weary
soft and bleary
replacing hope with shame
bordom laughs at greed
let them fill the need
never ever question why
buy until you die
understanding breeds contempt
punishment pursues
under quilts of desires
weaved by sinfull fires
willing to believe
understand why you came
only to provide
the others with their empty hearts
begin to fold your mind
deciding what is wrong or right
for their profits your to fight
unlock this box you've entered in
realize your whole
that none of this is what you need
time you never stole
you accept your fate
with pride and honour
only to be unknown
unhappy is your starving soul
time has chosen to unlock
the gate that holds you in
it's time to begin
I have gained the tools I need
from thoughts of others and their pens. I am needing to begin.
I wish to make a better place.
Philosophy in mind. Altruistic thoughts prevail for the hopeful mind.
Trapped in the midwest
No outlet
Hope you did not mind.
JK (major= the history and future of human thought)
weak and weary
soft and bleary
replacing hope with shame
bordom laughs at greed
let them fill the need
never ever question why
buy until you die
understanding breeds contempt
punishment pursues
under quilts of desires
weaved by sinfull fires
willing to believe
understand why you came
only to provide
the others with their empty hearts
begin to fold your mind
deciding what is wrong or right
for their profits your to fight
unlock this box you've entered in
realize your whole
that none of this is what you need
time you never stole
you accept your fate
with pride and honour
only to be unknown
unhappy is your starving soul
time has chosen to unlock
the gate that holds you in
it's time to begin
I have gained the tools I need
from thoughts of others and their pens. I am needing to begin.
I wish to make a better place.
Philosophy in mind. Altruistic thoughts prevail for the hopeful mind.
Trapped in the midwest
No outlet
Hope you did not mind.
JK (major= the history and future of human thought)
did not mean to post it twice.
Hence you posted thrice
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